165. Following Your Truth as a Lightleader with 4/6 Generator Odree Martin

podcast Feb 24, 2026

There comes a moment in every entrepreneur’s journey when strategy isn’t the thing you need more of.

You don’t need another funnel. Another framework. Another “10-step plan” to become who you already know you are.

You need truth.

Not the kind you can prove. The kind you can feel.

In this week’s podcast episode, I sat down with Odree Martin (the Miracle Oracle), and our conversation was one of those rare ones that doesn’t just give you ideas, it gives you permission. Permission to lead from what’s real. Permission to trust what you know before it’s validated. Permission to stop performing leadership… and start embodying it.

Spirituality Isn’t a Brand, It’s a Practice

One of the most powerful threads in our conversation was this: spirituality is a skill.

Meaning… it’s not just what you believe. It’s what you live.

It’s how you make decisions when you’re scared. It’s how you respond when you don’t have certainty. It’s how you lead when the outside world can’t confirm the inside truth yet.

That’s where real leadership begins, not when it’s easy, but when you choose alignment anyway.

The Crumble Is Not Failure, It’s Initiation

Let’s talk about the part nobody posts about.

The crumble. The void. The disorientation that hits when you’re evolving faster than your nervous system can hold.

Odree named this so beautifully: those phases aren’t a sign you’re off track. They’re often a sign you’re right on time.

When you’re building a business that’s connected to your soul mission, you will be initiated. Again and again. And the work isn’t to avoid it, it’s to integrate it.

Because expansion without integration doesn’t create freedom. It creates fragility.

Build in Community, Not in Isolation

One of the biggest shifts I’ve experienced in my own evolution is realizing this: the right rooms change you.

When you’re surrounded by people who speak the same language of truth, embodiment, devotion, and purpose… you stop questioning whether you’re “too much” or “too different.”

You start remembering.

And you build from that place.